ProWres thread.

[Mlle d. Sade]

Starting a new one since the other is so far buried back there.

In recent news not WWE= Playboy Buddy Rose was found dead earlier this week, he was still an active wrestler and trainer. It's really sad and surreal to sit back and watch AWA on ESPN classic and realize a good half of the roster is dead.

Elix Skipper lost a child earlier this week when his 21 year old son was gunned down. That was just a shock for many reasons.

Kurt Angle's agent did a report to the Miami Herald or something about Angle's rehab and WWE leaving issues. Anyone know more about this? I couldn't make sense of the article because it seems like someone wants to come clean but there's still so much muck.

ROH's on HDNet Fights! now.

CHIKARA had a successful fan conclave.

SHIMMER is taping 4 volumes this weeked (now) and continues to steam roll forward getting hard working women a place in the indy wrestling landscape.

Larry Sweeney is AWOL after quitting ROH. I'm personally worried about him because I know how it gets.

I re-joined Wrestlecrap.

Speaking of Wrestlecrap WWE's new show Superstars debuted.

That's it. Oh yeah, some Japan stuff that is confusing. Also some Mexican stuff.

[BlaqJeff]

Hmmm. Smokey Mountain Wrestling. I heard about it, but I never checked it out. Didn't D-Lo Brown get his start there?
I digress.
It would be nice if we had a decent independent promotion make some waves a la ECW, but I'm just reminiscing about the good ol' days. ROH just doesn't do it for me. Time to move on.
Hey, I have no doubt the WWE will move down to the gutter to compete with TNA, but when they did it back during the Attitude Era, they also put on some really good matches. Who can forget the TLC matches between the Hardys, Edge and Christian and the Dudley's? Certainly those matches were up to, if not better than WCW. But at this point, I'm comparing apples and oranges because as far as in ring action both promotions were lacking in that area.
At least as far as I remember.

[Mlle d. Sade]

I was bringing that up for the irony of it all. The way SMW was presented was classic wrestling- you have to upset people- and ECW was no different but SMW got a bad rap for being "archaic" while ECW was praised. The difference- tits and cussing. That's what fans want and pure narrative designed to upset people is too old school. Effort is old school, just slap some titties and cussing on.

Stan Lane was in many a memorable tag team. ..I just noticed that.

WWF in it's 80s and early to mid 90s was very much watered down compared to the old school territory stuff. ECW was just a mimic of that old territory style. Everything repeats. Wrestling really is cyclic.

Which ties into my original point- it goes in cycles because of supply and demand- you give them something and sooner or later they want something else and they get it from another company who forces change.

The only change WWE is going to make to step up their game is what they've always fallen back on, titties and cussing instead of good absorbing angles. They've done it for so many years it'd be a stretch to now re-breed their fans to appreciate that kind of storytelling.

Those TLC matches created the spot monkey effect, not a good lasting influence, looking back they're as insane/stupid as the scaffold match.

[BlaqJeff]

Mlle d. Sade said:

I was bringing that up for the irony of it all. The way SMW was presented was classic wrestling- you have to upset people- and ECW was no different but SMW got a bad rap for being "archaic" while ECW was praised. The difference- tits and cussing. That's what fans want and pure narrative designed to upset people is too old school. Effort is old school, just slap some titties and cussing on.
Stan Lane was in many a memorable tag team. ..I just noticed that.
WWF in it's 80s and early to mid 90s was very much watered down compared to the old school territory stuff. ECW was just a mimic of that old territory style. Everything repeats. Wrestling really is cyclic.

Yeah, but along with the titties came some righteous in ring action. Not only that, ECW had a very aggressive promoter who pushed the shit out of his product. To be sure, I know nothing about SMW, but I know of ECW because they came here to Long Island/New York area constantly and found an outlet for their TV show late at night and had an aggressive online presence. Yeah, the porn stars and female exploitation helped, but that wasn't all there was to it. There are plenty of places to go to get some TnA, but if ECW didn't have a terrific overall product, no amount of TnA was going to help them.
In the latter days of WCW, they went straight to the gutter and they actually ended up suffering from it. In the WCW, the smut wasn't part of the show, it became the show, which is an important distinction to make.

[Mlle d. Sade]

Idk, going backwards the stuff that happened right before the attitude era was better ring action.

I'm waiting for the titties re-up to give me a new reason to distance myself from wrestling. With the titties well come the dismantling of whatever hard earned renewed street cred women have worked for. Back comes jello wrestling and strippers getting great precedence over trained veterans of the grueling road war that is pro wrestling. Seems like a waste but who cares titties=$$$

The T&A was a HUGE part of wrestling in that era- so much so that's all most people saw and so much so that all women in wrestling everywhere were forced to conform to that. It was a huge part and might as well have been all there was to it, it certainly was all it was to any woman involved in wrestling.

Either way when it comes back I'll have an excuse to never watch wrestling again. I look forward to it. And when it does when I'm able I'm not even going to bother with wrestling school because they want titties, titties, titties not skills. Any chick with skills is a dyke.

I truly hate wrestling and many of it's fans. That's why I keep to my tapes and dvds and only glance to gauge the shittyness of TV.

I mean, I love wrestling and my whole mission for a healthy body was sparked by wrestling- I'm as fanatical as the crying fan but. . ..*sigh*

[Rage_Proletaire]

Mlle d. Sade said:

Those TLC matches created the spot monkey effect, not a good lasting influence, looking back they're as insane/stupid as the scaffold match.

I can't even lie; I loved me some Jeff Hardy around 1999/2000. But yeah, the TLC matches are hard for me to watch now; I keep looking to see eye contact between the performers, and then the impending scramble to get into place for the next corkscrew swanton Shoshone bomb off of a picnic platter.

Same reason I wept a lil when Rey came to the WWE; was happy for him, but some fluidity was definitely lost in the translation, style-wise. Glad Ultimo got the hell outta there, too.

Good mems, tho.

[Mlle d. Sade]

Of course you loose fluidity when you gain 60lbs of muscle. :p
Same thing happened to Kidman.

When I think of Jeff, I think of Paul Heyman in 2001 asking what kind of man wrestles in a baseball cap.
Jeff f'n Hardy, that's who.

I REALLY want to see his terrible match with Jack Evans at ROH. I mean, that just sounds like a trainwreck of awesome.

Sonjay Dutt deserves better- why was MLW or whatever the company was always putting him in with the spot monkeys?



Rage_Proletaire said:

Mlle d. Sade said:

Those TLC matches created the spot monkey effect, not a good lasting influence, looking back they're as insane/stupid as the scaffold match.

I can't even lie; I loved me some Jeff Hardy around 1999/2000. But yeah, the TLC matches are hard for me to watch now; I keep looking to see eye contact between the performers, and then the impending scramble to get into place for the next corkscrew swanton Shoshone bomb off of a picnic platter.

Same reason I wept a lil when Rey came to the WWE; was happy for him, but some fluidity was definitely lost in the translation, style-wise. Glad Ultimo got the hell outta there, too.

Good mems, tho.

[Rage_Proletaire]

Mlle d. Sade said:

Of course you loose fluidity when you gain 60lbs of muscle. :p
Same thing happened to Kidman.

When I think of Jeff, I think of Paul Heyman in 2001 asking what kind of man wrestles in a baseball cap.
Jeff f'n Hardy, that's who.

I REALLY want to see his terrible match with Jack Evans at ROH. I mean, that just sounds like a trainwreck of awesome.

Sonjay Dutt deserves better- why was MLW or whatever the company was always putting him in with the spot monkeys?



Rage_Proletaire said:

Mlle d. Sade said:

Those TLC matches created the spot monkey effect, not a good lasting influence, looking back they're as insane/stupid as the scaffold match.

I can't even lie; I loved me some Jeff Hardy around 1999/2000. But yeah, the TLC matches are hard for me to watch now; I keep looking to see eye contact between the performers, and then the impending scramble to get into place for the next corkscrew swanton Shoshone bomb off of a picnic platter.

Same reason I wept a lil when Rey came to the WWE; was happy for him, but some fluidity was definitely lost in the translation, style-wise. Glad Ultimo got the hell outta there, too.

Good mems, tho.

I noticed the bulk on Kidman when he came aboard, but not on Rey for some reason. Not at first, anyway.

[Mlle d. Sade]

I notice every single change in body composition.

[Rage_Proletaire]

What was Kevin Sullivan saying during the promo that got bleeped out? All I caught was "dropped her tit/teat"...

[Mlle d. Sade]

I always figured those bleeps were placed in either because (was it Crockett at this time?) Turner TV or Crockett were prudes and censored like mad (an example from the 90s is "international object") or they wanted to make it look scandalous- like how wwf would sometimes censor non-cuss words to make it seem like they were cussing more.

Sullivan actually hated working with Buzz Sawyer. I really didn't get the point of the later uses of Kevin Sullivan in the kiddie era of NWA-WCW, they seem misguided. Ah, wreckless misuse is nothing new in wrestling. .. .

Zan Panzer. ..right up there with Arachniman and Battle Kat but Battle Kat has so much awesome potential.

[Ghettopunkrocker]

http://ghettopunkrocker.com/blog/ Controversy Creates Ca--Wait Bischoff Already Used That

[Ghettopunkrocker]

...Bischoff and Hogan are going to get creative control? Fuck.

sceneless said:

So I'm sure by now you guys heard that Hogan and Bishoff are going to TNA and will have creative control. Do you think they can/will do anything worth while? I was a big fan of WCW, mostly because they exposed me to lucha libre and puro. I doubt they'll do alot of good, considering they had a bunch of unused or misused talent in WCW (Jericho, Austin, etc.), but I can hope for the best.

P.S. Did you know that Lanny Poffo was in WCW, but they never used him so he sat home and got paid for nothing?..lmao